Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Technically there are no Tibetan "tulpas"

Yeah, for all I know it was made up by that guy (edited)

All spiritual practice should be a synthesis

5:20 PM

Prescriptive dogmatism is just relinquishing your control over what you're doing to someone else's personal framework instead of your own

5:21 PM

Usually a long dead person who had no concept of modernity or its dynamics

5:23 PM

Why I admire tulpamancy so much

5:24 PM

Precisely because it feels no need to indulge that impulse to try to justify itself in the context of something else

I'd like to visit tibet and talk about tulpas or hear about them

6:21 PM

Tulpamancy seems like something that would be gaurded I'm knowledge

6:22 PM

Guarded* in

Well some people try and justify it with other contexts I think.

But yes I agree!

I've got a part of my wonderland called the black void where I can just manifest any kind of inanimate object and destroy them

@Alice - jump we have, sort of kind of something loosely like that, but Scarlet created a separate wonderland for it since it wouldn't have been a good idea to do it in the one Lula created

Same difference imo

the modern concept is very different from the old concept, and referring to them with different terms would make sense. I've heard that the old ones were refered to different terms in the first place though

@Reguile - jump i think it would be safe to assume that tulpa describes a specific form of a phenomenon that tibetan monks used to practice

8:19 PM

it seems it could be beneficial to just find a new name for "modern tulpas" to avoid people pointing out that "you are not making tulpas"

Brain buds.

taste buds have taste as opposed to brain buds who have no taste

EXCUSE me! I've got lots of taste! I've got the best taste here!

are you a taste bud?

Modern tulpas = headmates?

that's what i would vote for

Headmate.info just doesnt have the same ring to it

or at least use headmates as the neutral term that describes whole phenomena

8:30 PM

what if you read head mate as head MAH-teh, like british "people"? does it get more interesting?

I definitely prefer headmate.

headmatancy

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Sama 🌺 [Kaleido]

headmatancy

Katamari headmatancy.

Sama 🌺 [Kaleido]

it seems it could be beneficial to just find a new name for "modern tulpas" to avoid people pointing out that "you are not making tulpas"

Tibetans, allegedly, don't create them to exist in perpetuity

Unfastened Belts

Modern tulpas = headmates?

Headmate is an origin-agnostic term that also encompasses unintentional endos and soulbonds and the like. Tulpamancy is the only term for plurality-creation as a systematic discipline.

Agents

Of the IRS? FBI?

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9:37 PM

Consciousness-agent is more useful but too long to be accepted in general practice

9:37 PM

Plus "tulpa" is literally a term invented by some European hippie explorer from the 1900s. It's not unethical for us to steal it.

Tulpa is realistically here to stay forever. it's in the news, people are out talking about it on other websites, and the advantages of that can never be overrun by the benefits of any other name we can use (edited)

9:39 PM

It takes a long ass time and a lot of luck to build up a new term

There is no consensus desire to do so.

9:44 PM

Language changes. Grousing about it always fails. Too many people simply don't care. Shakespeare invented hundreds of neologisms and he was one person

9:45 PM

Furthermore, it tends to change in the directions of efficiency and utility as much as chance

9:45 PM

"tulpa" is thoroughly unmistakable and consists of five letters and two syllables

There was the time in about 2013-2015 when some people were reading English translations of some German books, and langen schwert or langes schwert was directly translated as "longsword". "Long sword" already meant something else in English. But people reading and/or hearing the direct translation assumed the direct translation was correct in English, and started telling people that a longsword was not a long one-handed sword (naughty dungeons & dragons), it was a two-handed sword. And even though they were mistaken, they got a lot of people who were interested in European swords and things to change their usage of the term. So that's an example of it being possible to change how a word is used. (edited)

2:24 AM

Is this legitimate? I also keep seeing tulpa junk randomly on 4chan a lot lately (edited)

This seems to be the sort-of relevant paragraph in the Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machig_Labdr%C3%B6n#%22Demons%22_in_Machig_Labdron's_Ch%C3%B6d

Machig_Labdr%C3%B6n

"Personal deity" sounds right to me!

"It is clear from Machig Labdrön's writings and teachings that the entities being dealt with in Chöd practices are formulations of the human mind, rather than supernatural beings"

Where's that post from?

Seems like it

2:59 AM

I saw it on 4chan. I assume it's from reddit somewhere

Found it https://www.reddit.com/r/Tulpas/comments/3tqog2/tulpas_and_yidams_in_tibetan_buddhism/

r/Tulpas - Tulpas and Yidams in Tibetan Buddhism

25 votes and 13 comments so far on Reddit

3:00 AM

From 5 years ago

Real interesting if true

I wish we knew more

Too bad there's such a language barrier between us and Tibet

3:05 AM

I'd much like to meet buddhists and learn from them

requiring every interested student to go through years of preliminary practice, just to make sure they were level-headed and really committed.

Makes sense, just look at state of the modern tulpa/plural community

3:06 AM

(it's a mess)

Yeah, right

I'd much like to meet buddhists and learn from them

Mmmm I wanna meet those Buddhists ~

Imma move this to #tulpa-discussion , but how has the tulpa community changed this decade? My tulpa is just like 5-4 months old so she's young and I'm kiiiiinda new

3:08 AM

When it comes to eastern spirituality, I always liked Taoism the most. I wonder if there's anything tulpa related in Taoism

I've been kinda watching a lot of lectures about meditation and Buddhism

http://www.bluebreath.net/blog/2016/4/9/the-vinegar-tasters

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So I really want to know if anyone has done DMT and has a tulpa. Because I've talked with my friend, who talks about this dmt "entities" are more like mind daemons, projected by the person

3:20 AM

Would this in theory, allow one to see a tulpa? In my hypothesis it might

I mean its open to interpretation, but generally DMT entities are either a) convincing hallucinations or b) aliens trying to teach you. I don't think DMT would enable you to "see a tulpa"

Well if it's 'aliens' then I'd categorize it has entities on another level of existence. But if it's entities projected from our psychie as my friend suggests, then a tulpa kinda fits it

4:02 AM

Kinda hard for me to explain it right now ngl

I get what youre saying, but even if theyre projected by your psyche, they tend to manifest as aliens. (Disclaimer I havent had a chance to do DMT myself yet)

Tends to depend on the person as far as I'm aware. An "alien" can be a demon, or an elf to another person

Self-transforming machine elves, and yeah they can take any form https://non-aliencreatures.fandom.com/wiki/Machine_Elf

Machine Elf

Machine Elf | Non-alien Creatures Wiki | Fandom

https://m.psychonautwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Autonomous_entity&_=

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An autonomous entity is defined as the experience of perceived contact with beings which appear to be sentient and autonomous in their behaviour.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] These entities can manifest within both external and internal hallucinations.[8]

2:39 AM

"THE STRANGE BELIEF OF PERSONAL DOERSHIP It's truly interesting that generally speaking, people don't recognise that even the smallest movement of thought, emotion, feeling or action that happens in any moment is the output of an amazingly complex and magnificently produced biological instrument, and not the result of an autonomous entity. The sense that, and the interpretation that, there is an autonomous entity is in itself a recurring thought output of this amazing instrument. This may sound like just another useless bit of trivia. However, the reality is that every bit of human suffering which arises is an extrapolation of this misguided interpretation. It's for this reason that spiritual teachings have been telling us that suffering can end. Because suffering is in itself based on a false premise. When life delivers the pertinent information and it's meet by a real earnestness in the seeker, then change happens quickly and it's not long before the suffering starts being seen from a different perspective, then start to diminish and eventually ends completely. This fundamental error I mention above is often referred to as the deeply ingrained false belief of personal doership. Peace for now (it's your birth right)"

Roger Castillo

12:38 AM

@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

So yeah that's what I meant re "short of the realization that no one ever really did anything"

4:32 AM

Maharani

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but this is what healing process is...

7:18 PM

everything written in that quote is part of healing,,

7:20 PM

i don't know what he is arguing against

I see what you mean

7:49 PM

I guess it depends on what you mean by "healing"

7:49 PM

Anyway I can see what he's trying to say while also seeing why it sounds weird

7:49 PM

The "are not mistakes" part is key

mhm! but that's also part of healing!

8:00 PM

it's acceptance and welcoming repressed parts back to yourself

8:00 PM

it's basically getting rid of all the things you mention all the time marissa

8:00 PM

shame guilt and other ones

8:01 PM

for example integration of traumas is welcoming those parts and holding them it's just not that easy

8:02 PM

and it's not just about did

8:02 PM

but before you do that you need to work on things like controlling anxiety so you are capable of rejoining those parts of yourself

it's just not that easy

sorry i'm talking how it looks on therapy

Totally fine!

did you hear about edmr

No

it's therapy where you are put in a state where you are more able to change your connections in brain they use for example looking at moving finger of therapist and then you talk about your traumas but you also focus on reinterpreting how you perceive it